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Don’t Take Drug Test If You Know You’ll Fail

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A business owner recently vented his frustration to me around the number of job seekers who FAILED a work drug test at his company:

“As a fairly active employer when it comes to hiring, I need to share with you my recent frustration when it comes to new hires and drug testing. We have had a particularly bad run in the last quarter with over a dozen failed tests. With over half of the candidates being college grads, I was particularly surprised! It actually seems more like an IQ test, why take it if you are going to fail? People currently in a job hunt should really be more aware of how testing works, and be prepared to pass. It is both disappointing and expensive for us as employers.”

Now, you might be thinking, “I bet this it was a bunch of punk kids,” or “The job probably pays squat.” Well, you are wrong. When I contacted him to get more details around the situation, here’s what he told me:

  • In three months, he tested 39 prospective employees at $45/test. That’s an estimated $7,000/year spent on drug testing.
  • Only 25% passed.
  • Their ages ranged between 21-52 years old.
  • The owner estimates the additional cost of the wasted time/expense went into interviewing these people prior to the test at $24,000+.

More importantly, these people missed out on jobs that paid between $50,000 – $58,000/year!

Here’s the takeaway for job seekers.

Many companies are using drug tests these days as a way to weed out employees. Be sure to find out BEFORE you apply if the company is going to ask you to take a drug test to avoid any embarrassment.

What should you do if you find out about the drug test AFTER the interview?

If the company fails to mention the drug test until after your interview. Simply say you’d be happy to take the test and leave. Then, call them back and say that upon reflection, you’ve decided the job isn’t for you. That way, you won’t be embarrassed when you fail and you’ll save the company the cost of giving you the test.

In summary…

Using drugs is your choice – you just need to acknowledge choosing to do so comes with consequences in the form of limiting your job options. It’s a small world. Failing a drug test isn’t good for your career. So, be smart and move on if you know you can’t pass one.

Drug Test at Work

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245 comments

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  2. So since the majority of comments on here are anti-employer, does this mean that since you refuse to meet the requirements of a potential employer, you will not take any job that requires a drug screen? Since 95% of all employers require a drug screen, I am to understand that you are part of the group who are unemployed and slaves to the Government handouts who cause those of us who do work to pay more taxes? Just want to be clear that it is a violation of your rights to take a drug test by a private employer, but it is ok for the government to intrude into your life every time you sign up for your food stamps? Just want to be clear.

  3. I never hear about companies giving breathalyzers at the start of every shift, which would be the equivalent of a marijuana UA. I encourage smokers of MJ to purposely go out and fail as many tests as you can, go apply to jobs you have no intention of taking. I am already employed but I constantly apply to jobs so that I can waste their money, with the hope that they will eventually get the hint and quit testing for marijuana. They can test me every week for all I care as long as they don’t mind about the THC they will find, as it is the only thing I do.

  4. Are you kidding me? You’re upset because otherwise good candidates are failing your drug test? STOP REQUIRING A DRUG TEST! Wow, that was easy. How about if someone’s high at work, or more importantly, not doing what you hired them for, FIRE THEM. I say, if you can be on drugs and get your work done, more power to you! Who cares what people do on their own time, as long as they’re producing, and helping the company accomplish its goals…

    • Work is the last place a pot smoker would wanna be high in. Don’t people realize that work is work for some people and play is play? Nobody liked homework when they were kids because it was work done at home. So why would you wanna bring play to work? Do you see what I mean?

      • What are you talking about? The tests don’t just have to do with what you do at work? Quite the opposite, most positives are for THC because it stays in your urine, blood, and hair for longer than just about anything else. There is obviously a large and somewhat politically successful movement in the US for medical and legalized marijuana, which this article totally fails to acknowledge.

  5. I hope pot goes 50-state legal, and a lot of the corporate behavior nazis have to take a Big Careful Studied Step Backward, this year.

    • Just because it would be legal does not mean they would necessarily stop drug testing. Guaranteed if you apply for a job operating heavy equipment in Colorado today, you will get drug tested.

  6. Besides employers, a lot of schools drug test as well. I saw a sign today as I was driving around that said “This is a drug-free school zone.” I had to laugh. I’d like to ask whoever put that stupid sign up how many kids in the school are on anti-depressants for so-called “ADHD?”

    • And I’D like to ask who puts a kid with “so-called ‘ADHD'” on an anti-depressant? I think you’ve got your drugs wrong there.

      • LOL this Patriot guy does not have a clue what he argues with people about, it’s so funny.

        This thread is also filled with a bunch of fools who have never touched marijuana or a drug, yet think they know so much about it. They speak of how people are uneducated but it is YOU who are uneducated about the perspectives these people and many others around the world see. I hope one day you all will learn.

        • It is you who are clueless, you’re completely missing the point, obviously you don’t know how to read between the lines. I’m merely pointing out the hyprocrisy of the “say no to drugs” crowd. They’ll preach against marijuana use and advocate drug testing, but these same people will turn around and put kids on these anti-depressant drugs for so-called “ADHD” which are much more dangerous than any marijuana in my opinion.

          • I understand what you mean, but you really do have it wrong. The only thing close to an antidepressant that is given to adhd kids would be straterra. Amphetamine like stimulants are usually prescribed for adhd, and yes these drugs are more danger

          • Dude, we all agree with you point but you’re missing OUR point. You have your drugs wrong. They prescribe “uppers” to kids with ADHD, not anti-depressants. Anti-depressants are generally only prescribed to people who suffer from…. drumrolll please…. depression.

  7. I don’t do drug tests. Drug tests are a violation of my Constitional rights and any employer who would ask for a drug tests is not an employer I would work for. I do the weeding out of Employers this way. Do’t ask for drug tests and don’t ask for my facebook profile. Both are a violation of my rights.

  8. Giving drug tests is a violation of a persons privacy. The same thing applies here as with potential employers looking at facebook profiles to decide whether to hire or not. How many rights are americans going to give away without any questions asked.? I do not want to work for an employer who who violate my privacy in this manner.

    • I applaud you for having strong beliefs, but you will soon find that ALL companies are moving towards drug testing, and the ones that do not will be extremely few and far between.
      As an HR professional, I can tell you that drug testing for employers is not about invading your personal space or violating your rights; it is about protecting the company and keeping everyone in the workplace safe.
      People on drugs or alcohol in any position can harm other employees or themselves unintentionally, and the liability falls back on the employer.

  9. If you don’t want to be drug tested….GET A JOB SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY DON’T DRUG TEST. It’s that simple. If you are actively looking for a job and can’t seem to stop smoking weed for that period of time, then you have either a) a drug problem, or b) a priorities problem. Common sense, people.

  10. The reason companies drug screen is because they are incapable of new-thought (that is to say, they are idiots). One can eat a brownie on Friday and be sober for work Monday and still fail a drug test. If one eats enough poppy-seed bagels, they’ll fail a drug test (false-positive, but they’ll still fail a drug test). If you take pseudoephedrinehydrochloride before UA, you’ll fail a drug screen. Its all about how you think, weird how they don’t give breathalyzers as part of drug screening, but damn if you can’t tell a coworker has been drinking the night before. The stupidity lies in the work itself. How many companies have coffee makers… how many encourage the consumption of ‘energy-drinks,’ if your head hurts take an aspirin, muscle aches take a Motrin. How about some sugar to cure that hurtful depression? These drugs are all safe right? Perhaps ultimately it is a question of whether or not the person is ‘true’ or ‘honest’. The past says that the people that practice witch-craft are evil and should be burned at the stake. This continues today in the practice of drug-testing. Try to take the usage of wine out of ceremonies involving Catholics and watch what happens… oh wait I forgot, that already happened in American history, it must have been all those hallucinogens and marijuana I ingested that made me forget that for a moment. Of course during prohibition, there were special considerations… some could attain alcohol for special purposes. If you are not seeing the point of this, it’s not the drugs… it’s the people. If you tell an employer you are going to fail they might make ‘special’ accommodations so that you don’t. The drug testing is pointless, except for this point: Most people in the world are immature and dumb… they don’t use drugs responsibly, they brake things, they mess stuff up at work especially factories (because it does not belong to them)… so drug testing there would be wise, because you don’t want some idiot to cut his arm off and then sue your company because its somehow the company’s fault, because you didn’t drug-screen the idiot before you hired him, and then you’re paying not only his medical bills but also his rehab fees. That’s why on the prescription bottle it says don’t operate heavy machinery or drive, yet thousands upon thousands of people get drunk and get behind the wheel and crash into people. But companies, do be entirely certain to deny employment for countless individuals, especially college grads that ingest brownies on Friday and fail drug screens on Monday. I’m sure your companies will accelerate so far into the past that they will become extinct. If you can operate heavy machinery on a cup of coffee, you can operate heavy machinery from the brownie on Friday. Now also, it is important to discuss drug-tolerance, that is to say a body may not be use to the effects of a drug. I would not recommend smoking weed for the first few times of your entire life and then operate heavy machinery, nor would I recommend a child drink a huge cup of coffee for the first time and then learn to drive a car.

    • Sam, I think it would be great if we used your story as a poster for the average employer to discriminate against the unfairness of it all…especially random drug testing. People have been fired from their jobs of 10, 15, or more years, because of a failed random drug test. Someone offered you a treat that ended up being loaded with pot, had a random drug test and now, you are labeled as being an irresponsible drug addict and you are fired. But, what if it were the CEO’s name that was randomly picked and he failed…impeachment? But, he keeps his job.
      Government pushes for more regulations on every single form of money that can be generated. The whole reason for regulations… are the regulatory fees. This is becoming a big cash business, because there are no regulations on the % rate of a fee! Companies are charging fees for restocking, electronic filing fees, baggage fees, more and more fees are being created because they can choose whatever cost they want to charge. And, they are tax free for the moment. In one week I paid $200 in fees. I bought a tablet didn’t like it and Sprint charged me $75 to restock it. Medical fees are ungodly! Fees are produced out of thin air and they are the epitome of greed. What used to be a common practice of good customer service, has now become a desperate act of profit.
      The integrity of a company is its workers making it work and if you cannot do the job, you will not have the job. What we do in our time of leisure is a personal choice, but the demands of Federal and Corporate regulations prohibits our freedom to have that right to choose. We’ve allowed not only the Government to dictate our lives, but the very companies we work for has complete control over our entire well being.

  11. Perhaps the business owner in this story should have asked himself another question; why are so many of these tests coming up positive? Is it the fact that the hard-core addicts, those who represent the biggest threat to a company’s performance, can have coke, heroin, amphetamines, etc., in their system a few days before the test and come up clean, while an occasional pot smoker is the most likely to test positive, as marijuana accounts for over 50% of positive tests? It’s the tests that are archaic, a waste of time and money, and just plain bad business. Why should any employer give a rat’s behind if someone has a few tokes of a joint on a Saturday night, as long as they are professional enough to understand never to come to work impaired in any way?

  12. I am a Canadian and I have seen job ads that do not disclose that the company does drug tests. I worked for a company that did do drug testing and when I left I told the HR department head that they might want to save their money. Co-worker “A” dealt coke and urine on the side. Co-worker “B” always had clean urine due to his pot activities. Co-worker “C” loved to do mushrooms, claimed active ingredient leaves system in 24 hours.
    Now you may think there was a problem in the company but there were about 40 people in this unit so there were a few users. These Co-workers did there jobs well and had a better attendance than many of the other employees.
    Why are the “drug” users singled out ? Why was the guy who was an a**hole never disciplined, he was a bigger liability than the others and caused more discontent and problem.
    Drug testing is a failure just like the war on drugs.

    • You’re correct, the war on drugs is a failure, it’s a waste of time and a waste of taxpayers money. I’m actually optimistic that drug testing will soon be a thing of the past. Medical marijuana is being legalized in more and more states, and of course Colorado and Washington State have even legalized recreational weed. The weed movement is gaining more and more strength by the day, soon it will be legal just about everywhere. Once it is, drug testing will no longer be worth the time or money. Since it’s a known fact that drug testing targets mainly pot smokers, why test for something which has now become legal? But the real key here will be medical marijuana. As legitimate users of medical marijuana become more and more accepted, the next step will be laws passed to protect them against discrimination, which would be aimed mostly at employers who drug test. It will be such a hassle, such red tape and paperwork to fill out in order to differentiate between medical pot users and recreational users, that it just won’t be worth it for the employers, so they’ll take the easy way out and drop drug testing altogether. It just wouldn’t be worth it to face a discrimination lawsuit, so they won’t drug test at all. This is how I predict drug testing will end. It’s just a matter of time.

      • What most anti-testing posters fail to recognize is that employment is a privilege, not a right. As a company owner, if I choose to test employees, I can. Employers are not trying to weed out recreational users, BTW. For good reason, they are avoiding addicts… and yes, people can become emotionally addicted to pot. Amazingly, millions of workers are able to pass drug screens without question. In fact, Out of the hundreds of people that I have hired, I would guess that about 1% failed the pre-employment screen. So… believe it or not, the majority don’t use. Legal or not, most people don’t participate in unhealthy behavior on a regular basis.

        • What you fail to realise is that it’s a mutual contract between employer and employee rather than any one person’s right or privilege. HR? Maybe. Smart? Noooo lol.

  13. My wish is that a company test 100 potential employee’s and they all fail the marijuana test.Let them waste there money. When they say drug test, what they mean is cannabis test, because pot can stay in your system for up to 45 day’s. What the f**k is it anyone’s business what I did in las Vegas a week ago.This drug testing crap has to stop. How about trusting the supervisors and the employee’s work performance.

    • 100% agree! If there was a sobriety test that made sure you were not impaired while at work, I condone that. It is fair that they would be able to test that at anytime. HOWEVER. Drug tests are ridiculous. All other drugs tested for in a typical pre-employment drug test can be washed from your system in about 3 days or less. Marijuana stays for so long! If I quit 3 weeks ago and vowed never to do it again, I would still not get the job just because my test still shows positive. And even so. What does me smoking a blunt after a hard days work have anything to do with my work performance? You think these fortune 500 CEOs aren’t snorting cocaine up in their office? LMAO Please…

  14. Employers are learning that drug testing is a HUGE waste of money and time. The people who would allow drug addiction to affect their performance at work would likely be filtered out of the employment process long before the drug test would occur anyway. Also, what people do in the privacy of their own homes is not an employer’s business.

    • You’re correct. When a person is a drug addict, it will always eventually manifest itself outwardly. I’m talking about drug addicts, not pot smokers, they’re two entirely different things. When I worked in the trades, we had a guy working for us who was a meth addict. We didn’t need to drug test him, it was obvious that he had a problem. He was always jumpy and paranoid, he couldn’t stay on a job longer than a few minutes, he was continually talking on his cell phone when he should have been working, and he often disappeared into the bathroom or elsewhere periodically throughout the day. One day, one of the guys in the shop walked in on him in the bathroom while he was snorting a line on the sink. He got really pissed and yelled at him for it, but didn’t say anything to our boss. He didn’t have to, the guy got himself fired a couple weeks later for poor job performance. There were many other tell tale signs that he was a druggie, we all knew it. A couple months after he was fired, he got his name in the newspaper. He got busted for running a meth lab and ended up going to prison for it. It was different with the pot smokers in our shop. Half the guys, including myself, smoked weed. A couple of the guys used to get me bags of weed after work, including one of the shop foreman. These guys were great to work with, they were all very reliable and excellent tradesmen. Sometimes we’d get together after work on a Friday and go play some golf. We’d smoke some weed, drink some beer, and play some golf, it was a lot of fun. Our boss knew we smoked the stuff, but he was cool about it. He didn’t care, as long as we didn’t do it on the job. That’s the way it should be. I did end up losing my job there after seven years, but it was because the housing market crashed and I got laid off, we ran out of work. I’m still on good terms with those guys, it was a great place to work. Those were the good old days, back when there was freedom. Where has it all gone now?

  15. Dear prospective employer,
    Why would you ask for pieces of my hair? We just met five minutes ago…can I have some pieces of your body too?

    Sincerely,
    Potential employee

    It is from my experience that all humans are prone to make errors, sober or not. I have a deep physiological conflict with donating a piece of my body to a potential employer, especially when it is not guaranteed that the career will be yours upon submission of a “negative” sample.

    • Or suppose the potential employer was an attractive female? How about I ask her to give me a couple of her body parts, especially the one between her legs! Of course, nobody in their right mind would say that, that’s getting too personal. So how is drug testing any different? Same type of thing, really. Just a different kind of creepiness.

    • Dear Mo:

      What liability is the employer causing you that would need you to drug screen the?. Do you pay their unemployment or worker’s compensation claims? Do you pay their insurance premiums? No? Well then, shut up!

      Sincerely.

      Potential Employer

  16. I wouldn’t give anybody a sample of my bodily fluids for any reason, not any corporation, and certainly not the government. Big government and big business go hand in hand, both are oppressive. Who’s to say that drug testing isn’t a backdoor way for them to create a DNA database on every citizen?

  17. The value of an employee should be judged based on the quality of their work, not their urine.

    If the company fails to mention the drug test until after your interview then this is an immoral company that has the audacity to invade your privacy. If you know you are going to fail the drug test then take it anyways to make them waste money. Screw them

  18. If yur employee is high on drugs at work do you have to send them home or to take a drug test right away or can you let them work that day then just ask them 2 days later to go to a drug test

  19. i was working for morrison disrpusion centre in sittingbourne kent for 7 weeks then thay wanted to urine test me for drugs which i agreed before thay did this thay ask me if i was on any medcsion to which i told them i was on a lot of iburafen for my cold shoulder problem thay still tested me to which i failed and was sacked on the spot they said i failed for amphetim which i defo don,t take when i got home i look on net to see what was going on and found a page which inform me that a high doseage of iburafen will couse this to fail postive for amphetime i feel that the tester should not of teseted me knowing that i told them before i took the test is there any one know if i got a leg to stand on pls

    • If I was an employer I wouldn’t hire you. I wouldn’t drug test you, I don’t believe in it, but I wouldn’t hire you because you can’t write, spell, or write a coherent sentence. I’d want people who are competent, not illiterate.

      • Sounds like your just a smart a$$ who thinks literacy relates to on the job competence. I’m not saying there aren’t jobs where that matters, but having worked for a distribution company, I can say most positions rely more on performance than how well you spell and form sentences. I understood exactly what Ron Dunn was saying, and I think you just have nothing better to do than belittle this guy for the way he spells and types. Maybe the education system failed him and pushed him right on through like they have done to so many people. Then again maybe I’m the jerk now for pointing out that you don’t know the difference between writing, which requires either a pencil or a pen, and typing which requires a keyboard of some kind, whether that be an actual keyboard or that on a touch screen device. Maybe I’m even a bigger jerk for pointing out literacy has little to do with competence in many lines of work, especially work you find in a distribution center. Also one might assume English as a second language since spelling center, centre could imply a French background even if its a slim possibility. Then again I barely made it through high school and dropped out of college, so my right to make assumptions about you is as wrong as you making assumptions about his competence when performing a job related task, and for that I apologize.

          • I’m with Patriot1. I honestly could not tell what that guy was trying to say. What the hell is “cold shoulder”? I know the idiomatic expression, but I’ve never heard of an actual affliction with that name. And disrpution centre — when I try to type that, spell check keeps changing it to “disruption.” At the very least, a person should be able to spell something closer to correct by doing it phonetically. So, if he meant “distribution,” there should be a “t” and a “b” in there, and no “p.”

            I get tired of people who argue in defense of bad spelling by claiming it’s not an indicator of competence or intelligence. I disagree completely. Spelling and constructing sentences are largely intuitive once you have learned how to speak. If you can’t do either one better than what’s posted above, it should serve as an indicator that there’s a problem that you need help with. Why a parent or teacher wouldn’t catch that and help is a whole other topic.

            On an unrelated note, WHO DOES DRUGS?!? Is it 1970?

      • Two of your three sentences have errors. That’s a success rate of only about 33 per cent. In your first sentence, you failed to use a comma to separate the dependent clause preceding the independent clause. You also failed to use the proper first person singular subjunctive form of the verb to be. The correct wording is, “If I WERE an employer…” In your second sentence, you used the word “write” redundantly. I presume you would not hire yourself.

  20. Sorry people, coming in to work under the influence of drugs is unprofessional and impairs performance even alcohol. And in some places if they suspect you are using them on the job they can order you to take a test anyway at the cost your job if you don’t comply. It is a good enough reason to quit.

    • I don’t do drugs, I’m straight, so other people’s drug usage is not my problem. That’s why I don’t do drug tests, I know I’m straight and I don’t need to prove it to anyone, including nosey employers who can’t mind their own business.

      • I’m with you here as well. I do the drug tests, but they piss me off, so I always start off a new job with a negative view of my new employer. I don’t appreciate being accused of criminal behavior.

        • It’s funny you get so upset. Honestly if an employer wants to test me I am more than willing to take it right then and there on the spot. It’s their money as far as I’m concerned and I have nothing to hide. Besides I’m an understanding and accepting individual but Drugs don’t have a place in society.

  21. The real issue is that Americans in authority have a lot of growing up to do when it comes to minding their own businesses, especially with marijuana.

    There are 168 hours in a week.

    While they are for sale, I’m not selling them for the price of 40 hours. If an employer wants control over all 168 hours of my life, s/he can pay me for them.

    Ergo, no drug test.

  22. If anyone is looking for a job that will not drug test this has helped me out a ton. I love toking and working from home while toking is paradise. I’m no millionaire but I make as much as office jobs chilling at home. It’s amazing
    http://tinyurl.com/puvv9vr

  23. DON’T take drug tests?
    So we should validate their facist position AND save them time and money to boot?
    I say fail as many tests as you can afford to…
    Drown them in a sea of pot-tainted piss!!!
    Why should we support their faulty logic by tacitly agreeing with them via compliance?

    • Well I have made some bad choices in my life concerning marijuana and now I have stopped for my kids, been clean 4 months now and due to my weight gain I cannot pass a drug test. What about me, trying to do better but can’t because my weight is keeing it in my system longer. Now that’s just not fair.

      • Nikki, marijuana stays in the system about 30 – 45 days, depending not only on your weight, but also your cholesterol level. I am a heavy girl myself, and yet, I can clear a pot pee test in 26 days, I also have a very low bad cholesterol level and a high good cholesterol level.

        My friends and I did our own “research” based on cholesterol tests from our doctors and also used a home pot test you can buy at CVS or Walgreen’s. We found this information out, and also found out, it didn’t matter the weight of the person or sex (we used 10 men 10 women and varied the cholesterol levels and weights), every time, those with high bad cholesterol took longer to clear THC from their system than those with high good cholesterol. I am far from a scientist or doctor, but I have noticed in those that are in the category of obese with high bad cholesterol will hold the THC in their system longer than those with low bad cholesterol.

        Armed with this knowledge, I know how long it will take my out of shape, fat body to clear the THC. I also know that I keep my diet low in bad cholesterol. This freaks out the doctors when they test me, LOL apparently if your fat your bad cholesterol is supposed to also be high. I don’t mind telling the docs I smoke to help with chronic arthritis pain, it helps me to sleep better. I get sick to my stomach from the prescription pain meds, but not from the pot.

    • Bean-

      Well put – I couldn’t agree more . To hell with the ertswhile/ nosy job providers – and to hell with
      life parameters as decided upon by the male, pale ans stale types.

      I say make em pay for these tests – and have this scenrio play out tenfold. It’s time citizens
      grab back what is ours. notably our lives outside their confines
      Maybe eventually the corporations will get the message.
      Your thoughts need to get to every HR dept and sanctimonious boss to be – NOW

      You inquistitive HR types are now held in especially low regard – change your Stazi like ways
      – your firm is merely renting a portion of our time – love it !
      I can only hope that the employers start dictating to those “deciders” that insist on drug testing- to
      Drop it already – ya fascists

    • I hear you (and agree!), but here’s the thing: depending on your industry, you can get blacklisted – and ESPECIALLY if you’re wasting a prospective employer’s money. It’s one thing to know you failed a drug test, it’s a whole other to just suddenly not get any call backs.

  24. I have a question unrelated to article, I just received a job offer after 4yrs unemployed. They asked me to take a drug test (never had to take for work) Went to the site and couldn’t produce anything/not enough. I was there about two hours I had to leave to pickup my teenager from school. I came back within the hour they wouldn’t let me take it said I needed more paperwork, employer said they don’t give only one. I would have been positive anyway because I take pain pills for back problems and I told them that. So now I am looking again, can they deny me a jib because I didnt take it?

  25. The most astounding fact about Cannabis/Marijuana use is 0 people have died from overdose ! ZERO ! ! ! There is no other drug with with a ZERO mortality rate. The second most hypocritical fact is the people that run our government, Senate, Congress, House of Representatives, Federal Departments, Executive, Judicial, Legislative or which ever other you can name, DO NOT have to take any drug tests ! ! How can these people enforce drug testing on the poor man working an 8/hr job but don’t take drug test for some of the highest offices of our land? I’m not saying all of our leaders use drugs, but I guarantee if you tested all of them right now 5-15% would fail, and you wouldn’t have had the slightest suspicion, why? Because they appear to be doing their jobs ! …so drug use has sh– to do with your job performance, but drug ABUSE does. Use does not equal abuse, ALL people use some type of drugs everyday daily.
    Drug testing for marijuana is the most hypocritical draconian law of all time. They are more concerned about cannabis in your system , but not cigarettes or Alcohol killing 100 of thousands yearly. Its OK to have 10 cases of 100 proof liquor in your house to drink and 10 carton of cancer sticks, but if you put a match to the alcohol it will blow up in your face lmfao! But its not OK to smoke an ancient naturally growing plant with healing purposes and universal industrial use. But even worst I have beat so many drug test drinking water and delaying the test for 1-2 weeks it not even funny. Don’t these idiots don’t know weed smokers smoke right after their first test? The only person getting f—ed is the employer, catch me you lost money, dont catch me I still work for you and if i get fired or quit 9 times out of 10 it had NOTHING to do with cannabis. And the people that don’t smoke who are hired are definitely doing something else in their personal life you may or may not agree with, its all relative and subjective to each individuals beliefs what is right or wrong. I’m all about safety but don’t violate peoples right to privacy and right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Smoking pot does not make you guilty of anything anymore than taking 5 shots of Tequila just dont do it at work in any instance.

  26. Why don’t employers just add a stipulation in the signed agreement for the job that if they fail the drug test that it must be paid in full by potential employee?

  27. I’m guessing the majority failed for weed. Which is BS. I can get hammered every night before work and show up to work out of my mind hung over. I can do poorly at my job because of that hangover and be fine. But I can’t smoke a damn joint a week prior to getting hired, when it has no effect on me at all, let alone smoking the night before work does nothing either. It’s a messed up world. $50,000 a year? Cool but that isn’t anything to brag about in todays time. I stopped working for companies that pay you crap for your hard work. I’ve been working the “day job” since I was 16 and I am now 24 and I can say working for myself is the best thing I have ever done. I made more the first quarter this year than all of last year at my “job”. Screw a job, it’s the real scam out there. If anyone wants to learn more on how I turned my life around, feel free to contact me via email.

    mikesmithmca@gmail.com

    • Did you know that taking a common pain reliever can affect your drug test results! Yes…I found a FREE 10-page report at Job-Search-Coach.com. I’m so glad I read it before I went in for my drug screen. Lots of really interesting info about drug tests…

  28. so if i stop smoking medical pot and have my doctor prescribe MARANOL
    YES I KNOW ITS MISSPELLED , and it shows up on a test , is it still considered a legal drug from my doctor and not used against me .

    and can the test results tell the difference between smoking medical grade pot and a synthetic like maranol

  29. Good for them keep losing money for invading peoples privacy start hiring who is best for the job instead and your workplace would run more smoothly

  30. Agreed. If I had an employee who failed then came back again it would be hard to even consider them the second time because of the money I lost out on in the first place. I never have done drugs or even drink much, I notice a lot of people who do drugs working. My cousin recently was driving pallet machine and dropped a pallet on her tow, immediate drug test she failed but since the person was her friend he threw it away. He wasn’t an employee of this warehouse a recruiter from a temp agency, very disappointing because he will eventually cost that company thousands of dollars. I was thinking about going to him to help me with finding a job but I don’t want to be associated with individuals like that but now days it is so hard to find work, I might just go. I wander if he has ever made someone look bad to weave out the people he doesn’t want to help. I am a full time student working on my Bachelors and have good grades/ experience so there should be no reason to not hire me.

    • the problem with drug testing, is simply that if a person has, for instance, smoked the night before, it will not be enough to effect his or her actions the next day, such as the way a night out drinking would. if i had smoked a joint two days prior to a drug test, it would show a positive, even though i hadn’t been high for two days!!! this is just f.kn rediculous!!! now, on the other hand if i was smoking at work, during my shift, that’s a different story altogether. the person that figures out a way to test how long ago one had smoked…there’s an instant millionaire!!!

    • How can you be working on a Bachelor’s degree when you can’t even spell? The word is “toe,” not “tow,” and it’s “wonder” not “wander.” And you advocate drug testing? If you filled out an application for my company and your spelling was that bad on it, I’d throw it right in the garbage! I don’t worry about people who smoke a few doobies on their own time, it’s the least of my concerns. Either you can do your job or you can’t. What I DO find scary, however, is stupid illiterate morons being elevated into positions of authority. No wonder this country is so screwed up! There’s a lot of idiots with college degrees out there nowadays.

      • Thanks for putting down my education. I have a high GPA. I am tired of people telling me that my education is not worth it. I know majority of you on this discussion board don’t care about the law or rules in this country. I am person that follows the rules and pardon me for not using spell check. I do know how to spell, this is an informal discussion board. If this was a formal discussion board I would definitely pay more attention to my spelling. This country is screwed up because there is a lack of respect for people, leaders, rules and laws. I am not on here to fill out a job application and I wouldn’t work for a company that allowed their employees to do drugs.

        • I agree, no company should let their employees use drugs; on the job, that is. What someone does on their own personal time is an entirely different matter. You might be going to college, but more than likely you haven’t been around the world of work very much. I’ve been working since before you were even born, so I know a lot more than you do about life in general. You’re not educated, you’re indoctrinated. More than likely you went to a public school where you weren’t taught the truth about anything, so you really have no concept about our Founding Fathers and about how our Constitution works. This country is about FREEDOM, and one of our freedoms we have is the right to our privacy and the right to be left alone. Nobody has the right to stick their nose in someone else’s business, which is what drug testing does. My personal life is nobody’s business. How about I pry into somebody’s business who applies at my company? How about I search your house to see if you own any guns? Randomly? Maybe I want a gun-free workplace. After all, an employee might get disgruntled and come in and shoot a bunch of co-workers. Or how about I ask you how many guys you’ve slept with? After all, I don’t want a whore working for me who’s going to get knocked up and use the employer benefits to pay her medical expenses for her illegitimate baby, and then gets maternity leave and produces nothing. People like that cost me money. I only want to hire a woman who has a husband with a good paying job, so she won’t be a financial drain on my company if she gets pregnant. Sounds mean-spirited, doesn’t it? Well, it’s the same kind of prejudice and bigotry that too many employers have towards those who smoke weed. In reality, I don’t think that way. I don’t care who you sleep with, and I don’t care about anything else you do on your own time. All I ask is that you show up for work and do your job to the best of your ability. What happens on the clock is my concern, but what happens off the clock is not. Simple as that.

          • eloquently put. thank you for standing up for personal liberty. we’re screwed anyway. we live in a fascist authoritarian state under a thick glaze of socialism that rewards indoctrinated submission and parasitic behavior.

        • The reason there is a lack of respect for leaders, rules and laws is because the leaders of this country are corrupt and have no respect for the laws themselves. They create one set of rules for themselves and another for everybody else. They are hypocrites of the lowest form and do not deserve any respect. This is how drug testing works. If you are part of the elite upper class, then it does not apply to you, it only applies to the peasants and lower classes. That’s why I refuse to work for anybody who drug tests. Either the rules apply to all or they apply to none.

          • Thank you Patriot 1 for your well said comments.
            It should not matter to anyone what a person do when they are off the clock as long as they come to work
            and do their job to the best of their ability.

        • Do you also believe in the Bill of Rights? Do you know that drug tests are unconstitutional and the only way Employers are able to get around it is by you agreeing to that drug test? I believe in standing up for my rights. Do you?
          Only the best of the Americans are not afraid to stand up for what they believe in.

      • @Patriot1:

        “There’s a lot of idiots with college degrees out there nowadays.”

        Correct version: There are a lot of idiots…

        You have at least two other grammatical errors in your post but I won’t bother with them. Before bullying someone about their writing deficiencies, get your own house in order. Better yet, don’t be a bully. Peace.

  31. I agree that employers need to protect themselves. However, too much money time and effort is wasted on those that are working or seeking employment. The same focus and attention needs to be placed on the people that are not subjected to these same standards that receive our tax dollars for not working. There should be a consequence for testing “hot” in their case as well. It would eliminate a lot of wasted dollars.

    • To clarify like anything else it is abused and there needs to be testing. All for the system don’t misunderstand. But those that are employed shouldn’t be penalized.

    • The question shouldn’t be whether or not there should be drug testing for welfare recipients, the question should be whether or not there should be welfare in the first place. If there’s nobody on welfare, then there’s nobody to drug test. I say no drug testing and no welfare! If you don’t work you don’t eat.

      • Agreed! Welfare has created nothing but new generations of lazy,unmotivated slackers who think they are ENTITLED to having groceries bought for them, a check for NOT WORKING, free healthcare, daycare, cell phone, and electric as well as extra money to purchase whatever their hearts desire. Where is the logic?

  32. I don’t believe in drug testing for ANYTHING, not aviation, not transportation, not construction, not ANYTHING!!!! Part of living in freedom is risk, drug testing is done upon false pretenses, under the phony guise of “safety” and all based on a hypothetical situation that hasn’t even happened, or something that MIGHT happen. The minute you give the drug testers and inch they’ll take a foot and then a mile. Once you let them get their foot in the door they will eventually destroy all freedom and everything this country stands for. The concept of a “risk-free” world is an illusion ans a utopian fantasy, there’s never been such a thing and there never will be. People have been abusing substances since the beginning of time, and no amount of laws or drug testing will ever change that, it’s the sinful human nature that we all have. The world was a dangerous place back in the ancient days as well and it always will be. The only reason there is drug testing is because certain rich, powerful people make lots of money on it, at the expense of our liberties of course.

    • Umm…if you told me my airplane pilot had been smoking pot, I would demand my money back right away and run! That means to me that they are not responsible enough to be flying my plane. I don’t care what you do in your free time, just know that to every choice there are consequences. If you smoke pot, do drugs, drink to excess, you should not be in many occupations where people ‘s lives depend on you to make the right decisions.

  33. I’m glad the stupid employers had to pay out their ying yang for these failed drug test, if they didn’t have these stupid wasted of time drug test they wouldn’t be frustrated in the first place.

    • Agreed! I have seen so many job offers for $8 an hour, background check and drug screening required. Redick! I would anticipate a drug screening for government or aviation employment, something to that effect. Drug testing for marijuana is a complete waste of time!!!
      THEY SHOULD BE DOING POLYGRAPHS AND ALCOHOL TESTING!!!! Polygraph would tell if they are scandals and if you test for alcohol, they would have to test positive if they got wasted the night before or that morning. Anything else… none of their damned business. It will come out eventually if their drugs control them, not the other way around.

      • I’m sorry to say that both your suggestions are bad ideas. The alcohol test is unnecessary because if they can’t function very well after a night of drinking, it will be apparent during the interview. The polygraph just simply doesn’t work. It measures emotional responses, and anyone who gets nervous easily will look like a liar. Also, anyone who knows a bit about how they work can easily fool them.

        • If an alcohol test is unnecessary, then so is a cannabis test. Alcohol is far more impairing to your motor skills and inhibitions than cannabis, and is more likely to cause an accident in the workplace. If someone is on cannabis and it’s not apparent during the interview, why is it still so important to see if they’ve used it during the last 6 months or even just the last 30 days?

        • Its just not true. Lie detector tests are more accurate than drugs tests. You could go out and do some hard drugs on a Friday night and go in Monday or Tuesday and PASS a test! lie detector tests do not determine someone is lying simply based off emotions and anxiety. Think about. I’d say that chances are if you’ve found yourself taking a lie detector test for whatever reason, 99% of us are going to be nervous. Also, it isn’t always true that you can obviously tell if someone is drinking by their behavior. Alcoholics are constantly drinking and dealing with the issue of covering up their use. Most do so very well.

  34. Considering the failed tests are probably over 90% of the time from marijuana, I say the employer deserves to be paying for their own stupid decision (to drug test). The reason there’s so many people going to these tests and failing from marijuana is the incredibly variant time that it stays in your system. Ranging from 3 days up to over 30 days, it’s very hard for people to tell whether they will pass or not.
    I understand the employers frustration with this, but it’s their own fault for testing for marijuana in the first place. I recently scraped by with a pass on my drug test, just barely. There’s always that chance that you will pass so it makes it very hard for people to take the advice to just not take the test considering a failed test has no repercussions for the employee.

  35. I’m actually down with drug testing.I used to come to work high as a kite and drunk from earlier that morning. I was a high functioning alcoholic. But alcohol stopped being my friend and turned on me. My behavior was terrible, I started causing scenes on the job and working hung over all day. When I finished my 8 hour shift I couldn’t even remember where I had parked my car. I finally hit bottom real hard. Being found out actually saved my life from. Peolpe under the influence cannot be productive in their chosen line of work.

    • Just because you engaged in getting wasted on the job does not mean that everyone else does. I can enjoy a nice bowl on my time off and perform my job very well. Let’s not lump “us” all together.

    • That’s also because you sound like a blatant alcoholic. Nobody’s destructive with marijuana, maybe lazy. – as a matter of fact, I’d say that they’e more focused and, generally, more positive.

    • I see what you're saying but...

      It sounds like you had some problems with alcohol. Alcohol isn’t tested for. So your anecdote, as far as the alcohol abuse goes, doesn’t really pertain to drug testing.

      You mentioned coming to work “high as a kite”, and if that is on a water soluble drug (anything other than pot) then yeah, drug testing would make sense for someone like your (hopefully) former self because it would be more likely to indicate that you used that drug that day. Otherwise, a positive result says nothing about how drugs impact your work, just that you took some at some point in time with at most a 1/30 chance that you use some that day.

    • I agree pretty much with how you finalised; not being productive. It is quite true, if you had used any type of drug, alcohol etc. for an extended period of time, you will start too understand that is no longer unwinding and making you unproductive in nearly anything… It is a great BS that people have themselves believe they get create..

  36. David raises a good point about false positives. The Bible says “Do not bear false witness against thy neighbor, which is what a false positive does. I’m bringing this up because in some cases, a false positive can destroy somebody’s life and/or career, especially if you’re in the military. I was in the Air Force from 1981 to 1985. In 1983 they started doing random drug testing in the military. We had a case sometime in around 1984 or 85 when a staff sergeant came up positive on a drug test for marijuana. Their policy at the time was to give non-commissioned officers a less than honorable discharge whenever they came up positive on a drug test, in essence destroying their career and their reputation. This guy decided to fight it, he insisted that he had never smoked the stuff in his life, so instead of signing an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment) and taking a less than honorable discharge, he decided to defend himself in a general court martial. If convicted, he would have faced even worse punishment than an Article 15, possibly prison time and even a Bad Conduct or Dishonorable discharge. Since appointed military lawyers aren’t always the best at defending the accused, he hired a civilian lawyer to defend him. What his lawyer found was astounding. He conducted an investigation at the drug test lab itself. He found incompetence and sloppy lab work on a massive scale. Thousands of urine samples were found to be incorrectly labeled. It was discovered that not only was this guy falsely accused, but 5000 other people were as well, most of them ended up being discharged less than honorably. Needless to say he was acquitted. Not only that, but the Air Force had to reinstate all the people who were wrongfully discharged (if they wanted to go back in. I know I’d tell them to go to hell if it was me.) but they also had to give them months worth of pay retroactively. (Your tax dollars at work!)I was made to take a drug test once. I found it very humiliating and degrading, I had served over three and a half years with an unblemished record. When they sent me into the bathroom with the vial to piss in, they sent a sergeant in there to watch me, as though I was some sort of criminal. It really pissed me off! And being that I knew about the court martial of the staff sergeant who was falsely accused, I was worried that the same thing might happen to me. I was only three months away from my enlistment expiring, and I wanted to get my honorable discharge and get the hell out of Dodge! It did come up clean, but I no longer trusted the Air Force. I made a vow to myself that very day that I would never again be subjugated to such humiliation, and I’ve stuck by it. I have never taken a drug test for a job, and I never will. When the Air Force asked me if I wanted to re-enlist, I told them where to shove it! I took my full honorable discharge and never looked back, and now here I am!

  37. The fact that the rate for positives is so high raises some questions in my mind.

    I received a positive result on my drug screen and know that there were no drugs in my system. I wonder what percentage of the drug screens yield a false positive result… or are intentionally messed up.

    Having gone through the process, I will tell you that there is nothing that you can do to rectify getting a false positive that I am aware of.

  38. If I were applying to a job, had an interview and afterwards they told me “we’re going to test your urine!” And I had happened to smoke pot the night before, then I would absolutely take the test just to waste their money. Potential employees owe nothing to the employers.

    • There are many differences between marijuana and alcohol, Wes. They are two completely different substances, made of differing ingredients, produced by different methods, regulated differently, consumed in different ways, with different affects on the body. The only way they are the same is in the minds of people who group things together with no facts or knowledge of the things they’re labeling.

    • Here is a good article of why Pot ever became illegal in the first place. You will see that Crony Capitalism was the main reason for all of this disinformation about pot. http://wafreepress.org/article/090304marijuana.shtml
      Educate yourself before you use silly little cliche’s, that’s all. Educate yourself so that you are not controlled by this disinformation. Elevate your mind to a “Higher” level. No pun intended.

  39. “I was surprised! They were all recent college graduates!”

    Hm, so maybe it is quite possible to live a productive life if you smoke pot. Imagine that.

  40. There are no long term consequences to failing a pre-employment drug test aside from not getting the job of course. The failed drug test won’t show up in a background check. HIPPA laws protect your privacy.

    So the only person getting jipped is the employer because they are losing their money and their time on the job applicant.

    I wish the article would have made this more clear.

    The article also failed to mention all the other reasons why someone might fail a drug test.

    Certain medications including Ibuprofen, supplements/vitamins and even foods such as poppy seeds.

    Another common reason is shy bladder (the medical term is paruresis) which just means that you can’t pee under pressure like if someone is rushing you or during a drug test or in crowded noisy bathrooms like at a ballgame stadium.

    You cannot even provide a sample for them to test because your urethral sphincter clenches and prevents you from peeing.

    Unfortunately, they mark this down as testing POSITIVE for drugs even though you didn’t even fill up the cup. This is highly unethical for them to do but not enough laws have been passed to protect those with this medical condition.

    My girlfriend has a shy bladder and failed a drug test in the past. I’ve failed due to meds but I was able to prove I was on medication with my doctor’s prescription. Unfortunately, my poor girlfriend had no other recourse but to loose the job opportunity which she so badly wanted and needed.

  41. thisguysmokesweed

    i used to out right refuse any pre employment drug tests on the principal of i did nothing wrong, therefor i should not have to take a drug test. as one who does smoke weed and only smoke weed, it becomes painfull when jobs i find that pay from minimum wage up refuse to hire me on this one fact… that i smoke weed. thats when i stopped caring about not passing. maybe one day it will be legalized…. or companies are gonna spend a few bucks in some drug tests.

    • I feel the same, thisguy. But if people who partake in marijuana are to win this battle, we have to prove our intelligence, capability and professionalism. Improper grammar and use of punctuation hurts the image of any productive person who smokes, as it reaffirms the stigma that “potheads” are lazy and unintelligent.

  42. Any ignoramus who thinks cannabis is a drug is freaking idiot!

    Do you know that just about every system in your body is homeostatically regulated by endocannabinoids?

    That includes: cardiovascular, digestive, endocrine, excretory, immunological, nervous, musculo-skeletal, reproductive, and respiratory systems among them.

    AND YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE???

    Your body makes it’s own pot!!

    These are compounds like those found in cannabis.

    Human breast milk contains cannabinoids like those found in cannabis.

    It is an essential nutrient!!

    (Shaking my head)

  43. It seems to me that most jobs that drug test do so as a pre-condition of being hired. Some jobs randomly test, but not too many. Assuming this is correct, what does drug testing really solve? Nothing! Back when I used to smoke weed, I had a few friends who got a new job and had to take a drug test. I’d be smoking a doobie somewhere and I’d see them and offer them a toke. They’d be like “No thanks. I gotta refrain for a while, I gotta take a piss test next week for my new job.” So they would take the piss test, pass it, and get hired. The minute they got hired they’d call me and ask “Know where I can get some weed?” So I’d go get them a bag and we’d get stoned off our asses and drink a few beers as well. Most companies that drug test are just being politically correct, they do it to make themselves look good, like they’re “doing something” about the “drug problem.” The whole thing is phony, it’s nothing but peddling snake oil in pursuit of an imaginary boogieman. It’s nothing but a profit making scam. I’ve said this many times before, but I’ll say it again because it’s the truth and I’ll stick to it!

    • Thank you Patriot1 these idiot employers are too stupid to realize us pot smokers are one step ahead and will pass all their stupid useless waste of money drug test.

  44. When I first started working in the late 1970’s, drug testing did not exist, you were simply hired on a handshake. Drug testing is a recent thing. About 25 years or so ago, certain people discovered that there was a lot of money to be made at it, so they began marketing it like a product, putting out propaganda to employers in order to pedal their snake oil. It is nothing but a scam, a phony solution to a largely imaginary problem. Sure, there’s certain people who have substance abuse problems, but it’s ALWAYS been that way, since the beginning of time, and it always will be. The world existed thousands of years without drug testing, and it survived just fine. If we were to discontinue drug testing today, the sky would not fall, things would continue as they always have and life would go on.

  45. If the employers prerogative is to “weed” out potential candidates whom he obviously liked well enough to send for the test, I say hooray for his expense. Most people know that drug tests are in fact marijuana tests, since most HARD drugs are vacated from the system within 24-48 hours, while marijuana use is detectable up to three months. Now people can pop all the prescription medications, drink alcohol and sniff glue if they want to and not be subject to this type of discrimination. It isn’t law that employers force candidates to submit to tests unrelated to the requirements of the position. Come into work high, drunk, hung over? Sure, that’s reason for dismissal. Discriminate against recreation that may even have POSITIVE benefits for the employer. Ridiculous! Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Stephen King, Newt Gingerich, Barack Obama, JFK, Harrison Ford, John Denver, Michael Phelps, Carl Sagan…. ALL POT SMOKERS!

    • Absolutely Dave. Testing people to see if they have taken drugs in the past is totally unacceptable and completely different to being under the influence. What’s to say that the individual doesn’t get blind drunk evey weekend? Or is cheating on his/her partner – so can they be trusted ?

      People should be judged on their ability to undertake a role ad not on whether they have smoked a joint in their own time .

      • I’ve never thought of it that way, but it sounds like you’re right. I wonder how the unemployment rates would be affected if they did away with testing for marijuana use? It does more harm than good to criminalize and/or demonize marijuana use.

  46. I love how all these people who posted here make their drug habit a problem for other people. “Its the fault of people who who write these stupid laws” “Its big business types” or my favorite. “Its because of corporate greed”. How bout your a drug addict and you will eventually hurt yourself or someone like me who has to end up working with fools like you. Pot is good for you keep smoking it. Its just a little crack. A little coke never hurt anyone. Good luck I hope for my sake and all other people who love their wives and families you don’t get a job. Its because of people like you I have to take a drug test. How bout this, you just don’t do drugs for the simple fact people who do drugs cannot be trusted. Case closed!

    • I use mmj and I have an iq in the 99th percentile and am very trustworthy you should get off your high horse since I’m sure you are one of those people that get drunk everyday but I can’t partake on my own time

      • Well you are wrong. I don’t get drunk. That’s the thing with people who do drugs they think everyone is as addicted as they are to something, and you being a drug user cant imagine not being addicted to something. It is possible to just do the right thing and work hard love life without drugs. I hope one day you will realize it just costs you money and most likely a job or you wouldn’t be on this site and does nothing to benefit your overall well being. I’m sorry you have a high IQ that usually does not make you any more money in this world, and it will be harder for you to be generally happy. It usually means you take test well witch has no real employable value unless you want to be a student the rest of your life. I just wish we could find a way to charge all drug testing to all the drug addicts. Let people like me not have to pay for your addictions.

          • thats an insult to the entier female population. More like sounds like a spaz. Either way Republicans are finally starting to cave so his opinions isnt even valid.

        • marks regretful father

          seriously mark, you are a fool. people like you are what is wrong with this country. you are so ignorant it is astounding to read your drivel.

          • I forgot Im talking to drug users whats the point lol Good luck in life. “Sell crazy some place else we r all stocked up here”

        • Let me see if I understand this, Mark… You don’t get drunk or use drugs?? Just because you don’t get drunk doesn’t mean you are not an addict… It means you have high tolerance to alcohol… In the same sense, drug use is not the same as drug abuse… Your problem is not with addicts, hon… perhaps if you knew how to spell “which” correctly, you wouldn’t be in a crappy paying job and feeling unhappy because YOU have the burden of having to “pay for my addiction(s)”. Life will humble you my friend..

        • Mark, how are you paying for it? If private companies are paying for drug testing, you are not. (Not unless you own one of these companies, and in that case…)

        • Being intelligent and having a high IQ makes you less happy and unemployable? Wow. By the way, how did YOU find this page? Do you really think that because someone smokes marijuana they are a raging drug addict who thinks that all other people are just like them? That doesn’t even make any sense. And how do you pay for anyone’s addictions?

        • The fact that most of the people who know enough stop smoking a week or two before the test means they are not physically drug addicts, because if they where they would not be able to stop. Is it really that inconceivable to you that people who use MJ are making a choice every time they use it, and because their experience is pleasurable and not hurting anyone else they continue to make the same informed decision. When marijuana becomes nationally decriminalized you will see an end to this madness even if we are 30 years away from that. The last 3 presidents have openly admitted to trying MJ. MJ is illegal because of a series of corrupt/bureaucratic/propaganda events that happened in the 50’s. Tobacco and Alcohol money controlled politicians and those companies feared a safer/potentially more enjoyable alternative to their products. Grow up MJ is nothing compared prescription drug abusers/alcoholics and their impact they have on their families.

    • Who says you “have to” take a drug test? I don’t, I just find jobs that respect my privacy. I don’t do drugs anyway, I quit smoking weed years ago, but I still won’t take a drug test because I don’t like the idea of somebody somewhere who I don’t know peering at my bodily fluids, it gives me the creeps. I don’t trust drug test labs or the drug testing industry in general. Anything done under the guise of “public safety” sends up a red flag to me. I believe there’s a hidden, more sinister motive behind it. I believe it’s about power, profits, and controlling the masses, it’s another tool in the New World Order police state society. Who’s to say that the government, along with the big corporations, don’t use drug test samples to create a DNA database on every citizen in this country? Much like how they’re trying to create a gun control registery on everybody, it all smacks of totalitarianism. The only valid reason in my book for a urine test would be for medical reasons, which would be strictly between patient and physician, where such a use would be to help people, not control and oppress them and make billions of dollars in profits in the process. Drug testing is not a Biblical idea either, it is a man-created idea, with the love of money, which is the root of all evil, being the main motive. Yes, drug abuse is a sin, and the solution is to repent of our sins and turn to God. God sees everything we do, including our sins done in secret, and one day we will all have to face him and give an account of ourselves. We cannot hide from God, the Bible says that our sins will find us out. No man has the right to judge the sins of another, only God has that authority. Therefore, anybody who advocates drug testing is a hypocrite. My question to such people is; “So what are your secret sins?” We all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

      • Well, you sound insane!Patriot1 You may not be insane that post sounds like it is in need of medication. I would like to see you get a driving job without taking a drug test. God does give us the right to judge others. We can decide who gets to drive a big truck or not and (JUDGE) weather or not they are sober and drug free enough to do so safely. We are not on this earth to just say “I’m not God I shouldn’t judge. I like how people try to bring God into things to prove their point like God is somehow on their side.lol Read your Bible God used people to judge others all through history.

        • You sound lost. I don’t think you really understand the Bible at all. I do read my Bible, the King James version, in other words, the REAL Bible. You must read the NIV or some other false translation. Drug testing is nothing but a money making scam, that’s all it is. I don’t do drugs so therefore I don’t need a drug test. God is my witness and that’s all I need. Judge not lest ye be judged, condemn not lest ye be condemned.

          • Well said. It truly touches my heart when I see someone being practicing what they preach and following the bible accordingly. Patriot1 sounds educated and intelligent, not in need of medication.

        • I hate starting posts like this at the change they might be take as belittling but…

          Oh Mark. Who used drugs and the ruined your life? A friend? A family member?

          I have never used drugs. Ever. I am a substance abuse counselor you specializes in opiate addiction. My patients are kind and caring people. They work hard and many have successful lives. That is until they can no longer afford their addiction. That is when things become bad.

          My point is, vilanizing substance abuser or user is neither here nor there. It’s not clear cut and its definitely not a choice to get hooked on cocaine or heroin. And many people successfully treat horrible conditions with cannaboids and I don’t blame then when I see what opiates and benzos do to people. Just don’t judge and stop making yourself out to be a victim. My patient don’t act like victims they own there addiction but they deserve compassion as they don’t want to live this way. Try being more caring and understanding and try less to make an is versus them. One day you might be in a situation where you don’t fit into and is or them and you’ll regret that black and white thinking.

        • I love how noone pointed out the epic fail here. The bible constantly indicates it is Gods right alone to judge people. The best example off the top of my head is “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” You are aguing from a skewed, uninformed view point. Most people are saying you should not use the drugs at work. If your not high when you work/drive/are in public, how is your drug use affecting anyone else?

    • Mark, I do understand your position on the matter, and actually agree with most of what you say. However, I’ll also remind you that have the right to your opinion, and others have the right to disagree.

      I’ve been in upper management/business ownership for the last 18 years, and make a very comfortable living for myself and my family. I am responsible for approximately 75 employee’s.

      I enjoy smoking marijuana with my wife at the end of my long day, and do so almost daily. This is my choice, and this has no bearings on my intelligence level and decision making while at work. In fact, I 100% agree that it has no place in my work environment. However, what I do in my own time is no one’s business, to some degree of course. Drug testing should be used as “at work” tools if it is believed someone is working under the influence. Many people go to work under the influence of alcohol, and unfortunately no drug test will identify and fail this user.

      I can go on and on about this with you, however, I can read by your few statements that you believe you know everything about the subject and those that use, when clearly, you’re just misinformed. Good luck.

      • I hear what you’re saying Ken. People like this Mark guy scare me a lot more than people who smoke pot like yourself do. It’s his kind of thinking that leads to oppression and police state societies. It’s the same mentality that the gun grabbers have, they want to control everybody and everything. As a Christian, I believe pot smoking is a sin, it’s a sin a I repented of a long time ago. However, I don’t believe in being judgmental of those who do, because I smoked the stuff for years myself and I understand. I’ve worked in several occupations over the years, I’ve worked with many stoners and many drinkers. Most of the stoners I worked with weren’t a problem, they always showed up for work and got the job done. I’ve never seen anybody get fired from a job because they smoked weed, but I’ve seen lots of people get fired because of drinking. They would go out and get drunk every night, and either they were always late for work, or they were too hung over and wouldn’t show up, or sometimes they’d even come in reeking of booze. I’ve also seen a lot of people who were totally straight, who didn’t smoke or drink anything, but were just plain lazy and/or incompetent. This is a fact. Sounds like this Mark guy has probably never smoked a joint in his life, so therefore he has no clue as to what he’s talking about. I DO know what I’m talking about though, because as a former toker I’ve been there. So if you like to smoke pot it doesn’t bother me at all, you’re not doing me any harm. Maybe you’ll always smoke it, or maybe one day you’ll get tired of it and quit like I did. I have no authority to police the sins of others, I have my own sins to deal with. Sometimes the best thing to do is to let things run their course. Good luck to you and your wife, and I hope you have much success with your business.

    • Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Stephen King, Newt Gingerich, Barack Obama, JFK, Harrison Ford, John Denver, Michael Phelps, Carl Sagan…. ALL POT SMOKERS! I guess these people can’t be trusted right Mark?

    • Perfect “Stepford” people like yourselves are the problem with the decling quality of life in this country. Drugs and alcohol have been a part of life for thousands of years and it is only recently that people like you have developed complete and total hysteria on the subject. Sure, I would never advocate someone getting high or drunk while on the job, or while driving. But in moderation I think it makes people less stressed out, and able to see that there is more to life than greed and keeping up with the Joneses (something that I am sure consumes your every waking moment). You never tried something, therefore you want to make sure that nobody else does either by passing draconian laws against it. I bet if somebody put a little LSD in your water, you might change your tune and see how stupid you really are. No dead babies will result from responsible pot use.

      I would argue this country needs more drugs not less. People are way too uptight.

      • Drugs so not help you see more in life I smoke alot but it is a persons choice how they view life and how much they get from it. I have seen ppl destroy their lives from drugs and others do just fine so never recommend more dugs to society u r unbelievably naive for saying that because just cause u do good with drugs does not mean the person next to you will. Think before u speak…

    • Possibly the most ignorant and uneducated comment I have ever read. I’m not going to go into detail or try to brag about my “e-dick” but I guarantee I make more in one year than you do in five, and I smoke marijuana every weekend.

    • Have you ever used cough syrup? Antibiotics? Allergy meds? Ibuprofin? Prescribed pain-killers? Alcohol? Cigarettes? Chewing tobacco? Nicorette? Viagra? Birth-control? Valium? Xanax? Any others? All of these are drugs; many of them affect your ability to work or get to work (operating machinery.)

      I’ve smoked marijuana for over half of my life. I’ve also attained a degree, as well as a fulfilling and well-paying career that makes me a productive and contributing tax-payer and family-provider. I enjoy reading, working out, food and nutrition, and every year I volunteer for a charitable organization for a few months to collect donations and bring awareness of a devastating and terminal disease to the community. I pay out-of pocket for ongoing training for professional development since I’m in a technical field. I do this with my own money in my spare time.

      But I smoke pot. So what is it that makes me so dangerous to you or your loved ones again?

      A label is a label, but that does not instantly proclaim it as accurate.

    • You sound like an idiot. First of all pot is not crack or cocaine,jack#$$. Do they give cancer patients a nice crack pipe and a rock? No. What about tobacco? Did you throw that in there? If you smoke cigars, cigarettes, or a pipe… you are indeed a druggie, right? According to your theory. If you take Advil, Motrin, Aspirin…your like a crack-head. There is so much ignorance in your statement that I’m not sure where to start. Oh, and I’m sure you’ve never had a drink, too huh? I agree with Jeremy. Who are you to judge? For all we know, its YOU that isn’t trust worthy. Your logic is pathetic.

    • ignore him, just another troll. sexism, racism… everyone who fits under their umbrella is the exact same and so they’re bad. the blacks are all the same so they’re all bad. all women are irrational and too emotional so they cant be held as equals… God forbid that someone has their sh– more together than you do AND can handle using drugs. I had a perfect job and smoked weed every day after work. i was his best worker and I’m now out of a job cause he got scared about the impending health care laws and fired me so he wouldn’t be fined. yes its corporations doing the wrong. i can function perfectly but at some point someone realized they can capitalize on having employers test their employees. what does it actually help? they spend and spend on these drug tests, but we find ways around them anyway, and work our a$$es off anyway. just because someone who has used drugs was a poor worker doesnt mean everyone who uses drugs is a poor worker… but everyones stuck in the dark ages with their logical fallacies, ignorant mindsets, and unwillingness to learn or change.

  47. One thing to look at with drug testing is who is profiting off it? Who owns the drug test labs? Drug testing is a multi-billion dollar business. Certainly average Joes such as myself don’t make any money off it. I wonder if the people who own the big corporations that drug test (such as Medtox, Quest Diagnostics, etc.) aren’t the same people who are getting rich by bankrupting our country? You know, the upper echelon elites who are connected politically. Notice also how politicians who drug test lower level government workers and welfare and unemployment recipients always seem to exempt themselves. (Oklahoma is one such example.) It also seems to me that most corporations will drug test the lower rung employees while exempting the upper management and executives. One company I put that question to said they give random drug tests for those in “safety sensitive” positions but not for the management. In other words, drug test the people who are out in the field doing the actual work that they’re profiting off of. What the hell would they know about “safety” when they’re a bunch of pencil pushing desk jockeys? I guess some people think they’re better than the rest of us, and so they create one set of rules for themselves and another set for everybody else. This is what is known as a double standard. The way I see it, our rights come from God. (As stated in the Declaration of Independence) All of us are equal before God, no man, regardless of his social status, is any less sinful than another. The same rules apply to all; don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t screw your neighbor’s wife, don’t bear false witness, etc. We also have equal rights; the right to worship God however we choose, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to a trial by jury, and the right to our privacy. (Which drug testing definitely violates!) This is the equality principle. Either the rules apply to all or they apply to none. I’ll take a drug test the day that all congressmen, all senators, all governors, all attorney generals, all CEO’s, all upper management people, and the President of the United States do. But since these rules don’t apply to them, then they don’t apply to me either! They need to either put up or shut up! If we dug deep enough and did some research on this, I’m sure that it would be discovered that drug testing is a scam and a racket designed to profit the ultra rich elites at the expense of our liberties. It’s just another tool in the war against the people, intended to create a totalitarian police state. Probably the same people who want to take our guns from us. I don’t trust these bastards, and neither should anybody else. Just say no to drug testing! If everybody refused to do it, they could never implement it.

    • well said patriot! Mark seems to think everybody who smokes weed is retarded when hes clearly being out-educated by almost every commenter on here. hahaha, at least you can spell and put together a proper sentence. Good for you!

  48. I’ve noticed that these pro-drug testing propaganda pieces are always written by corporate type people who work in offices, who probably wouldn’t have a clue as to how to pound a nail or do anything practical. This lady who wrote this trash has probably never tried weed in her life. It’s funny how these people act like they’re “experts” on things they know nothing about. They also think they’re “safety” experts as well, even though they know absolutely nothing about shop tools or other kinds of construction equipment. In reality, the REAL experts are people who actually work with tools like this, not some pencil pushing desk jockey like this stupid broad is. Right now I work at a weed-friendly company, at least half the people there toke, including some of the managers. Everybody there does there job and they show up for work, and that’s all that really matters. I’d rather work with a bunch of stoners than a bunch of self-righteous, judgmental hypocrites who look down their noses at other people’s sins, when they should be looking in the mirror at themselves. But there is a silver lining in all of this; Colorado and Washington state have just legalized weed for recreational use. When something like this begins, it carries momentum, and soon other states will follow. Cannabis legalization is the wave of the future. Prohibition is coming to an end, and once it’s like this everywhere, drug testing will soon fall by the wayside. After all, you can’t really discriminate against someone who does something that’s legal. Weed legalization is popular, while drug testing is not. Soon all these companies who drug test will be dinosaurs and will have to get with the times and accept the fact that a lot of people out there like to smoke weed on their own time, whether they like it or not. They’re going to have to get with the program and drop the drug testing or else they will not be able to find good employees, and their competitors who are smart enough to drop their drug testing programs will leave them in the dust.

    • O’Donnell, you definitely bash users of pot while you probably goes out after work getting “high” on wine. Alcohol was illegal at one point too but we don’t call you a punk kid or drunk. Like Patriot1 said, STOP PRETENDING LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT POT USERS. Just because a person drinks, you do NOT know to what extent or if it affects them at work. Wake up old timer and embrace the chance because it is much needed obviously after reading this article.

      • I smoke but just cause I smoke I don’t think everyone drinks cause really to everyone does why the —- r all u pot heads so naive I smoke everyday and I’m not half as naive as u tards seriously u just assume these ppl drink maybe they don’t maybe their hardcore religious or maybe they just don’t. Don’t just assume people drink cause u get high that’s a joke. You people are making pot heads look like retards.

    • lucky b—–. i work in a shop and they do drug test it sucks. not being able to relax even during the weekend cause of testing sucks. i mean working 12’s throughout week can be tiring as hell then having to be asked to work saturdays. i just dont see the point of testing to see if you have done it within a month, i think they should test for it in you bloodstream if you had it like the day before or that day or not test for it at all

    • Patriot1 you took the words out of my mouth specially calling out this clueless pencil pushing chick that wrote this piece of crap article.

    • the author of this post is an idiot

      Patriot1 I agree these test are nothing but scams, most people are smart enough to pass them and the dumb broad writing this article has probably never smoked a joint in her life, but can sit here typing this stupid crap from her high horse. Idiot broad!

    • Good I’m glad the idiot employer had to pay up the butt for these useless drug test. He sounds like a freaking genius blowing his money on useless crap test that people figured out how to pass. Instead of giving his employees a raise he is wasting his money on useless test to catch an illusive drug user from entering his company. Idiot people!

  49. I don’t do drugs myself, but as a personal witness to what drinking can do to a person, I have yet to understand why it’s socially and legally acceptable to drink on your off time, but it’s illegal to take recreational drugs on your own personal time. If you ask me it’s a form of discrimination, perpetuated by social stereotypes of people who use drugs.

    I can understand a random drug test to see if you are currently under the influence of a drug in the work place, I agree with that completely. You are on the employer’s time and they deserve the best ability out of you. But these drug tests aren’t testing to see if you are currently under the influence of a drug at work, they test to see if you have taken any drugs within a limited window of time.

    Employers really need to be more concerned about their irresponsible employees who not only managed to pass the initial drug test, but get away with taking drugs or drinking while at work. I know of several people at my current job, who either smoke pot or drink while on the clock. These are the people you need to worry about.

    Not only that, these drug tests are flawed in the fact they only test for drugs the test was designed for. While working for Man Power I was drug tested multiple times while I was on prescription Vicodin and not once did the test ever alert Man Power or my current contracted employer I was taking them.

    If people want to do drugs, they’ll find a way. They’ll create synthetic drugs that are legal or undetectable, Many work places don’t test for psychedelic drugs either, so go ahead and eat a handful of shrooms before an interview.

    All this article suggests is that you are wasting their time and money, reality is, they are doing the same to every person they turn down. It isn’t just about the employer and what they need, it’s about the employee too.

    I know that in most states if you are tested positive during a random, they can’t simply terminate your job, they have to give you a chance to go through rehab and clean yourself up. If you ask me, refusing to hire people because they fail a preliminary drug test is borderline discriminatory and should be outlawed. Everyone should be given a chance to shine, otherwise how will they ever glow?

  50. I say fail as many of these tests as possible. Waste as much of these companies’ time and money as you can. In this case, boycotting is perpetuating the paradigm. Give them oceans of tainted piss. Drown these moral ciphers with their own paranoia. If dirty pee embarrasses you, you lack conviction. Fail the test. These tests are confidential. They cannot result in criminal charges.

      • Why? I actually think he has a point here. By supporting and perpetuating an ignorant drug testing system, these employers are fully committing to pay for these tests. If, they think drug testing is so important, then they should have to pay for the consequences of their actions. If more quality potential workers continued to fail these tests and cost companies thousands, then they might think twice about keeping these racist policies in place.

    • Right on Nonimouse!

      The author and interviewee are the idiots here. It is clear that they, as people often do, are lazy about the word “drug.” The “business man” and the “author’ should have been more specific. I’m certain the truth is that these people all failed for smoking marijuana. I’m certain the truth is that none of these people failed the test because they are addicted to pain pills or alcohol, neither of which are tested for. The idiot author and businessman CLEARLY do not realize that pill poppers and drunks are FAR more dangerous than consumers of marijuana which has never killed anyone in the history of the world.

      The war on “drugs” is healthy and strong in the idiot minds of these two.

    • Amen my friend, been doing this for years! I’ll admit I’m always a bit nervous walking in to do the test but sorry, you’re not getting my real pee to maybe test if I’m pregnant or whatever. Besides, all these tests catch are weekend marijuana smokers, the alcoholics and coke heads (i.e. REAL dangers) are usually clean within 24 hours of using and rarely fail.

  51. Drug testing is like socialism, it’s a waste of money and it doesn’t work. This employer is an idiotic jackass with no common sense. Who’d want to work for him anyway? He could be using the money he’s wasting on employee pay raises or company picnics, instead of a witch hunt trying to find an imaginary boogieman. He’s not only throwing his money down the drain, he’s also cheating himself out of potential excellent employees. Some of the best workers I’ve known are pot smokers. I worked in the construction trades for a number of years, before the drug testing racket came into being. We had shop foremen who smoked the stuff, in fact I used to toke with them after a hard day’s work. A lot of these guys taught me most of the stuff I know, the tricks of the trade. Our boss didn’t care if we smoked it, the only thing he asked is that we didn’t do it while on the job. Very reasonable, it’s just common sense. I also have friends who own businesses, some for as many as 25 years, who like to smoke weed. It’s time people start getting off this trip of obsessing over what other people do and look in the mirror at themselves. We need to start a new trend; a drug test-free workplace! Drug testing is just another fad, another get rich quick scheme by shysters, and will soon be consigned to the dustbins of history, just like socialism.

    • The point is a well dress crack head or abusive alcoholic will get a job first then someone who smokes weed on their own time, and what does it do munchies/relaxed/sleepy… really? So it really doesn’t matter anyway ill just get someone else clean urine and pass.

    • You are just a freak. Drug test is not done to waste the company’s money. Drug test is done to protect the employees. I wish all the companies would do drug testing so people like you would stop using drugs and working with powerful tools. What is the problem if you smoke weed at night and go to work in the morning? Nothing? The symptoms of weed can affect you for up to 30 days.

      • You’re a control freak. What would you know about shop tools? You’re a woman, you have no say so in it. Construction is man’s work. Go back to secretary or hairstyling or babysitting work where you belong, or better yet, go home and take care of your husband or kids, if you have any. Mind your own damn business!

      • Hey Julie, get a clue, marijuana can not effect someone for up to 30 days. It can remain in your system, (it is stored in fat cells) for up to 30 days and therefore be detected by a u/a, big difference. Maybe you should stick to preaching about things you are educated about, or better yet, quit preaching period. You are one of the many judgemental people that think that marijuana smokers are all criminals and degenerates. Wake up dear, alcohol is a drug that is dangerous and destructive, but totally legal. Smoking herb mellows you out, improves your mood, too bad everyone does not partake, maybe you should. You sound like you could use it.

      • Hey Julie, I manage a multi-billion dollar hedge fund, make millions of dollars a year, and manage to smoke copious amounts of pot. If anything it helps me take the stress out of probably the most stressful job out there. Jesus I wish the symptoms of weed lasted for 30 days… too bad you’re wrong.

      • Julie, you’re ignorant.

        You need to do research, a person is far more dangerous while the have a hangover, than when they are under the influence of marijuana. You’ve obviously been a bubble your whole life, and the united states will have recreational pot soon, and people like you will have to sit on it.

        I say this because I recently got out of the army.

      • incorrect.. marijuana does not affect your mind for 30 days. it affects your brain for approximately 2 hours, once the 2 hour window is over, you are back to normal. please educate yourself before acting condescending.

      • Are you serious? The symptoms of weed can affect you for up to 30 days?? You really must not know anything about weed then, nor any other recreational drug. Please know your facts before you go posting and making yourself sound like an idiot.

      • Actually Julie thats not true but its understandable that you might be confused and think that. You see when someone smokes weed the way it gets them high is it releases THC into the system. The effects of THC only last about 2 hours, even less for frequent smokers as the body builds up a natural immunity to it over time just like it does with most things. The longest method used for getting high with weed is brownies or other edibles. This typically lasts on average 8 hours for a brownie. Thats the longest weed high anyone can get though. Anyways THC then is stored in the fat cells of the body but the effects are 100% gone. No one has ever woken up still high like they do when they drink the night before. Thats just not how it works. When the 30 days you mentioned actually is, is the traces of THC. It cant be DETECTED that someone has smoked. It doesnt mean they will be high that long. There are some hard drugs out there that cause serious damage like that but weed is generally pretty harmless as long as partakers are responsible enough to know not to do anything stupid like work with power tools. Thats more a question of their judgment calls on safety rather than choice to smoke weed.

      • Wow. So uneducated. Don’t spout off at the mouth about things yo know nothing of. It makes you look like a big idiot. Drug tests are NOT done to protect employees, they are done for employers by employers.

  52. The Employer being interviewed is an idiot. First of all, you can’t fail an IQ test. Secondly, if he’s going to descriminate against those people he deserves every dollar lost.

    After reading this I will make sure to take the test even if I know I’m going to fail. Eventually policies will change as the public uses drugs more and more.

  53. This article is ridiculous. If anything I say take the interview and fail the test even if you know that you will fail. Who cares? At the very least, you got free drug test out of it. Why not make a game out of it? See how many interviews you can get for low paying, future-less jobs that drug test. Let them pay out the nose.

  54. Legislators, Officials, CXO’s, EVPs, SVPs, and the like do copious amounts of cocaine and are caught for it. What happens?

    A) Nothing
    B) They move to a new firm/ company/ position.

    It’s hypocritical for companies to have policies that only effect new hires and upper management plays by their own rules. As the economy is still on the slow upturn (I’m being very optimistic) corporations believe they can use that to keep people under the heel; 1099s, temp hires, and asinine drug test are the major indicators you SHOULDN’T take a job that requires any of those.

    On a personal note never have I been drug tested for any corporate position I’ve been in so I’m not sure what companies do this for anyone other than drones. If they do, they are just setting themselves up to get people who have no creativity or independent thought. I don’t say that because drugs increase creativity (studies show some do), but because a vast majority of people who don’t do drugs tend to be mindless sheep.

  55. Why would people take a test that they know they would fail?

    Im sure most people did not go to the test high. Weed stays in your system for so long, im sure many of the people who failed were just hoping they would be OK. People need to work and are willing to risk failing a drug test for the opportunity to make money. After all in this world if you cant get hired they system will cut you off and you stave.

    Most college grads have trouble finding a decent job out of college so drown their sorrows in some recreational drug use. Imagine graduating with tons of student loans and the only job you can get is waiting on tables. Of course im gonna get high. Getting a random call every six months from a recruiter with a job that may or may not drug test isn’t a good enough reason to abstain from smoking.

    Employers, if you want bland not creative sheep toolbags working for you then by all means continue to drug test.

  56. These business owners should stop testing for pot. 50% of
    people that fail a drug test fail because they test positive for THC. It is
    amazing how some employers think pot use is worse than an employee who drinks
    alcohol. BTW- the business owner in this article sounds like an idiot. Why
    wouldn’t an employee take a chance even if they know they might fail? because
    of embarrassment? LOL. the only one who should be embarrassed is the idiot who
    thinks pot users are drug addicts.

  57. I am a very hard working and responsible person. I have accomplished a lot in my life so far.

    That being said, I smoke marijuana. No, I’m not a “pot head”. I smoke marijuana a few times a week, in my home, and at night. I don’t drink alcohol (except a few occasions during the holidays).

    I have thought about telling prospective employers that I don’t want the job after telling me I have to take a drug test before my 1st day of work. I realize it costs the company money to do this. However, I feel that I am being discriminated against (opiate addicts, anti-anxiety med addicts, cocaine users, and alcoholics can still pass a pee test with no effort) and if the company is choosing to analyze my pee after looking at my resume and a great interview, then it is their fault for the cost.

    I’ve worked for a few employers that do not drug test and I’ve been nothing but an exceptional worker and a valuable team member. None of my co-workers have even known that I smoke marijuana a few times a week.

  58. “Using drugs is your choice – you just need to acknowledge choosing to do so comes with consequences”  Indeed that is true.  However, being an employer that chooses to drug test candidates is also a choice with consequences — the cost of the tests.  If the employer is lamenting the cost of the $24,000.00 associated with failed tests, he should either quit drug testing or shut up. 

  59. I find this to be a silly, advocating article for employers. Honestly, if an employer is stupid enough (and without legal/liable obligation) to do drug testing, then frankly, why should I care about your whining about how much money your spending and potentially losing because of failed tests? 

    With the increase of at-home workers, an employer has absolutely no reason to request a drug test as a prerequisite for employment. As a strong advocate of privacy rights, this is a huge sticking point for me. I may be interacting with clients, but there is absolutely no liability on the employer’s part and it certainly does invade my personal privacy, since I work in my home. I believe at some point, someone who works out of their home is going to challenge the loose federal laws of drug testing because they don’t take into consideration a virtual environment as a workplace.

    For the first time, I’ve agreed to take one of these so-called tests because the economy is tough and frankly, I have nothing to lose. If my results come back positive, then I have nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about. If you’re nosey enough to want to know what I do in my free time, then it’s the employer’s loss, because I can prove what my work ethic and IQ are too, but clearly I’m not having to prove those as a condition of employment.

    “Using drugs is your choice – you just need to acknowledge choosing to do so comes with consequences in the form of limiting your job options. It’s a small world, failing a drug test isn’t good for your career.” Really? Tell that to all the doctors, lawyers and government workers that are making bank and are advocating the legalization of marijuana. There’s no truth in this statement and clearly the author is misinformed.

    • I respectfully disagree. There is overwhelming proof that my statement is true. You can use drugs all you want, but when the day comes that you apply for a job you really want and the company requires a drug test, accept the consequences. I’m sorry you don’t like the laws, and as I commented above to another reader, it’s clear many people want the rules changed, but for now, they are what they are.

      Honestly, for those who want to use drugs on their own terms, there’s always the option of starting your own business – then you know for sure the boss won’t drug test you!

      • the author of this post is an idiot

        JT you sound like they fed you the ‘don’t do drugs’ bs and you ate it up. But, the truth is a lot of us out there have taken these bs drug test only to pass with flying colors. The whole drug testing is bs to make the drug testing companies rich while stupid employers like the one you supposedly spoke to lose money every year on this dumb test that pot smokers are smart enough to pass with a little water to piss clean. Learn the truth you tool!

    • I respectfully disagree. There is overwhelming proof my statement is true. You can use drugs all you want, but when the time comes you apply for a job you really want and the company requires a drug test, accept the consequences. I’m sorry you don’t like the laws, and as I commented above to another reader, it’s clear many people want the rules changed – but for now they are what they are.

      Honestly, for those who want to use drugs on their own terms, there’s always the option of starting your own business – then you know for sure the boss won’t drug test you!

      • Hey you know there is always a reason why the American economy is failing and collapsing as we speak. Perhaps the best employees are not the ones who refrain from using a little pot on the weekends or weeknights even. It does not really matter when a person uses it since pot does not really cause illness the next day like alcohol does. The reason pot is illegal and has such negative stigma is a result of crony capitalism. Read this article if you disagree http://wafreepress.org/article/090304marijuana.shtml This is the reason that there are drug tests for it and pot is still illegal today. So in essence it is people like you who keep this disinformation alive and do not stand up against injustice. When there are too many people such as yourself we lose all of our rights and become an authoritarian regime. Oh wait, that is already happening in the “Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.”

  60. I feel it is very unfair to judge me based on what I do outside work in my time I could smoke pot heavily the night before and be fine at work the next day, but someone who drinks heavily the night before is not going to be safe to work with the next day..  Also there is more deaths every year from alcohol and tobacc prescription drugs than pot by far……   Wake up America

    • I understand this perspective and appreciate your sharing. To your point, many companies have alcohol policies too. I know large corporations who have sent people home that have shown up clearly still drunk. Those who have an alcohol problem are usually found out over time due to repeated absence and poor performance. So, it comes full circle. You are right though, lots of scary situations out there with the folks who have alcohol addiction…

      • Are you kidding me? Over the years I’ve seen many execs in corner offices who were alcoholics. Teachers, too, even the local librarian where I grew up. Never saw one of them fired for being a raging drunk. You must’ve voted for Romney, you sound like a sheep (I would have said lemming, but I doubt you would have understood).

    • I understand this perspective and appreciate your sharing. To your point, many companies have alcohol policies too. I know large corporations who have sent people home that have shown up clearly still drunk. Those who have an alcohol problem are usually found out over time due to repeated absence and poor performance. So, it comes full circle. You are right though, lots of scary situations out there with the folks who have alcohol addiction…

    • I understand this perspective and appreciate you sharing. To your point, many companies have alcohol policies too. I know large corporations who have sent people home that have shown up clearly still drunk.

      Those who have an alcohol problem are usually found out over time due to repeated absence and poor performance. So, it comes full circle. You are right though, lots of scary situations out there with the folks who have alcohol addiction…

  61. I agree with most every commenter on here. I’d like to add, I feel that drug testing specifically goes after pot users too. Since really there aren’t any other drugs that stay in your system nearly as long as pot. I could do crack/heroine/pcp/ecstasy this weekend and pass in like 2 days. Are those the people your company is nervous about? 
    I mean really, what happened to this previous generation of hippies, you had all the fun so now no one else can?  I have issues with drug testing, accuracy, privacy and my personal advocation of marijuana to name a few… the fact that RX addictions are on the rise and as long as one of these lobbied by big pharma doctors writes you a script you have a pass?
       I’ll take your stupid test, right after I take this drink here to pass, kind of more surprised that these people didn’t just cleanse really. What I do on a weekend outside of work should be my business as long as it doesn’t effect your business. 
        I think companies need to tell you these things in the ads or interviews. And the whole drug testing industry is out of control. If you are responsible for lives that’s one thing, but for a desk job, come on. Let’s reign in on this big brother mentality in this country, background, drug, credit checking…wonder why you can’t find candidates, if only we did this for politicians. More failed policies and wars..but hey those insurance and drug testing lobbyists they sure seem to be doing well…

    • I agree with you, make a point it’s not right because it is aimed straight at MJ tokers, other dangerous drugs go away fast… but yeah great stuff.

    • I could not agree more completely with your statement – I was terminated from a job that I excelled in for falling on the lobby floor in snow and ice cause I slipped… they drug tested me when taken to the hospital and I had not smoked for three weeks – but one of the Sales Guys who drives a company vehicle drinks all day everyday and he still has a job

  62. I agree with most every commenter on here. I’d like to add, I feel that drug testing specifically goes after pot users too. Since really there aren’t any other drugs that stay in your system nearly as long as pot. I could do crack/heroine/pcp/ecstasy this weekend and pass in like 2 days. Are those the people your company is nervous about? 
    I mean really, what happened to this previous generation of hippies, you had all the fun so now no one else can?  I have issues with drug testing, accuracy, privacy and my personal advocation of marijuana to name a few… the fact that RX addictions are on the rise and as long as one of these lobbied by big pharma doctors writes you a script you have a pass?
       I’ll take your stupid test, right after I take this drink here to pass, kind of more surprised that these people didn’t just cleanse really. What I do on a weekend outside of work should be my business as long as it doesn’t effect your business. 
        I think companies need to tell you these things in the ads or interviews. And the whole drug testing industry is out of control. If you are responsible for lives that’s one thing, but for a desk job, come on. Let’s reign in on this big brother mentality in this country, background, drug, credit checking…wonder why you can’t find candidates, if only we did this for politicians. More failed policies and wars..but hey those insurance and drug testing lobbyists they sure seem to be doing well…

  63. Oh, I dunno. I understand what this article is saying, but if a company is going to be prejudiced against some drugs that may or may not cause a problem, I say take it and waste their money & time. An employee on Benedryl, alcohol, legal prescription drugs or even too much caffeine, is just as likely to cause a problem, but won’t have a problem getting the job. It’s wrong to judge someone based on their pee (or hair & blood). 

  64. Thank you for truth.  Hopefully job candidates will receive this article.
     
    Rarely will I read career advice that is candid and straightforward.
    So, when I find it, I have to share it with hope that those most in need,
    including myself, will be helped.

  65. This kind of goes to show that you can have a wonderful candidate who meets all the qualifications and requirements and they are being disqualified for what they decide to do in their personal time. I believe unless you are applying to be a pilot, doctor, or another position of high importance- there is no need to drug test potential employees. I could understand testing for hard drugs like herion, as I can see how that can affect your job performance, but testing for soft drugs such as marijuana is a waste of time and money for both the employer and employee. In all honesty, I smoked marijuana in the past. Not only did I hold down a job, but I received numerous awards and have been praised by my managers for exceeding their expectations. However, it offends me that if I would have failed a drug test at that time for marijuana, it would make me seem like less of a person. Yes, I did smoke, and YES I did do a better job than half of the people who were drug free. We should evaluate employees based on their accomplishments and how they perform in the office- not what they do in their free time.

  66. The so-called ‘War on Drugs’ is a MAJOR expense for our entire country. There are people in jail (men and women) for lifetime sentences from 3rd offences for non-violent crimes like simple minor possesion of pot, yet rapists and murderers get paroled out daily because the prisons are too full (close to 50% of prison capacity is being taken up by non-violent ‘war-on-drugs’ laws offenders)

    Check it out in your own area. As BccLIst said, these are antiquated ideals based on an old law that is costing our companies, states, and nation billions of tax dollars. Maybe this could be a way to help reduce the national debt – get rid of these antiquated ideals.

    Add this to legalizing marijuana and taxing it, and at least part of the national debt could be eliminated (i.e., eliminating large amounts of prisoners$$$, eliminating state and gov paid for trials and lawyers$$$$$, and taxing the product itself$$$)

    Wake up people. Things seriously need to change.

  67. Whatever happened to personal responsibility and privacy. These people are turning people away from jobs while blowing a ton of money.
    Luckily there are plenty of resources to help people cleanse their bodies posted on the web. Getting the toxins cleansed and having test over with is a great feeling. Getting on with your life is even better!

  68. While I’d never argue pilots, public transportation workers, train conductors, etc. shouldn’t be subject to drug testing, most companies don’t conduct them solely to alleviate risks. They do it because of Reagan’s (antiquated) war on drugs.

    During Reagan’s tenure, a bill (Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988) was passed that allocated funds/contracts to small businesses and government agencies assuming they drug tested. Moreover, pressure was directly put on the Fortune 500 by the administration to lead by example (literally) and only hire employees that could pass a drug test.

    In 1979, it was a rarity for Fortune 500 companies to drug test. By 1990, over 90% of the Fortune 500 drug tested. Note: I think the current number is something like 80%. Drug testing is a $700+ million (pharmaceutical) industry. Makes sense, eh?

  69. Gina, you make great pointS that I should have been clearer on.

    Most companies do post that there will be a drug test in the job posting. That's what I meant about checking to see. You are right, you don't want to ask outright as it will set off a red flag.

    For the record, the employer who wrote in above did list it as a requirement on his job posting and this STILL happened. Hence his heightened frustration.

    And, I agree with you 100%. Companies that aren't being upfront (like the one you dealt with) aren't being smart. Not only does it offend/surprise a candidate, it wastes valuable time and money.

    Thank you for making those excellent points!

  70. I can appreciate the frustration an employer must feel when candidates fail drug tests. That being said, your advice to job seekers to find out if there is a drug test before applying is backwards. Asking an employer about this would only raise a red flag, even if they don't use drug testing.

    I don't think an employer should care whether or not applicants use drugs, but if they choose to test applicants it should be their responsibility to disclose that in the job description and make sure candidates are aware before the interview process. This business owner could have saved himself a lot of time and money by being upfront about the process rather than blaming the applicants.

    As someone who has been blindsided with a drug test by an employer, I was offended at the lack of communication up front. I knew I would pass, but I was annoyed that they would have wasted my time with interviews and negotiations. It doesn't make sense for either party and the responsibility should fall on the employer.

  71. I appreciate your perspective Donnie – that's why I said it's a choice. You only have to watch Bill Mahr on HBO to know that a lot of professional people engage in using drugs. He pushes for legalization on his show regularly.

    However, what do companies who have been burned by people who were under the influence do? Companies are at serious risk of being sued if something happens. That's why they do it. One person could cost the company 1000's of $$$ in legal fees. So, they feel forced to take precautionary measures.

    At least those who use drugs can walk away. Ask anybody who has police record how hard it is to find a job right now – it's next to impossible. With so many people looking for work (currently 6 job seeker for every 1 job), these are the first to be put in the 'no' pile. I get e-mails from people almost every day about that.

    I guess that's why it was important I share this post – I don't want people to make it even harder on themselves.

    Thanks again for stopping by and sharing!

    JT

  72. Or, you could not drug test them. Not all people who use drugs are dirty, lazy hippies. Imagine how many would fail if everyone was tested for alcohol.

  73. Gina, you make great pointS that I should have been clearer on.

    Most companies do post that there will be a drug test in the job posting. That's what I meant about checking to see. You are right, you don't want to ask outright as it will set off a red flag.

    For the record, the employer who wrote in above did list it as a requirement on his job posting and this STILL happened. Hence his heightened frustration.

    And, I agree with you 100%. Companies that aren't being upfront (like the one you dealt with) aren't being smart. Not only does it offend/surprise a candidate, it wastes valuable time and money.

    Thank you for making those excellent points!

    • I was hired at a bank. There was no posting of drug test.
      I had to endure 3 interviews with 3 different managers which took over an hour each time. I got hired and agreed on a start day. A week before the start date I was sent a letter stating that I had to be drug (hair)tested before the start date. Talk about waste of time. I was using painkillers at the time and taking more that prescribed. The hair test would show up to 90 days what I was using and how much. If it was just a urine test I would have passed. I just called and told them I was hired elsewhere. I did not want to take the chance.

  74. I can appreciate the frustration an employer must feel when candidates fail drug tests. That being said, your advice to job seekers to find out if there is a drug test before applying is backwards. Asking an employer about this would only raise a red flag, even if they don't use drug testing.

    I don't think an employer should care whether or not applicants use drugs, but if they choose to test applicants it should be their responsibility to disclose that in the job description and make sure candidates are aware before the interview process. This business owner could have saved himself a lot of time and money by being upfront about the process rather than blaming the applicants.

    As someone who has been blindsided with a drug test by an employer, I was offended at the lack of communication up front. I knew I would pass, but I was annoyed that they would have wasted my time with interviews and negotiations. It doesn't make sense for either party and the responsibility should fall on the employer.

  75. I appreciate your perspective Donnie – that's why I said it's a choice. You only have to watch Bill Mahr on HBO to know that a lot of professional people engage in using drugs. He pushes for legalization on his show regularly.

    However, what do companies who have been burned by people who were under the influence do? Companies are at serious risk of being sued if something happens. That's why they do it. One person could cost the company 1000's of $$$ in legal fees. So, they feel forced to take precautionary measures.

    At least those who use drugs can walk away. Ask anybody who has police record how hard it is to find a job right now – it's next to impossible. With so many people looking for work (currently 6 job seeker for every 1 job), these are the first to be put in the 'no' pile. I get e-mails from people almost every day about that.

    I guess that's why it was important I share this post – I don't want people to make it even harder on themselves.

    Thanks again for stopping by and sharing!

    JT

  76. Or, you could not drug test them. Not all people who use drugs are dirty, lazy hippies. Imagine how many would fail if everyone was tested for alcohol.

  77. I can appreciate the frustration an employer must feel when candidates fail drug tests. That being said, your advice to job seekers to find out if there is a drug test before applying is backwards. Asking an employer about this would only raise a red flag, even if they don't use drug testing.

    I don't think an employer should care whether or not applicants use drugs, but if they choose to test applicants it should be their responsibility to disclose that in the job description and make sure candidates are aware before the interview process. This business owner could have saved himself a lot of time and money by being upfront about the process rather than blaming the applicants.

    As someone who has been blindsided with a drug test by an employer, I was offended at the lack of communication up front. I knew I would pass, but I was annoyed that they would have wasted my time with interviews and negotiations. It doesn't make sense for either party and the responsibility should fall on the employer.

    • Gina, you make great pointS that I should have been clearer on.

      Most companies do post that there will be a drug test in the job posting. That's what I meant about checking to see. You are right, you don't want to ask outright as it will set off a red flag.

      For the record, the employer who wrote in above did list it as a requirement on his job posting and this STILL happened. Hence his heightened frustration.

      And, I agree with you 100%. Companies that aren't being upfront (like the one you dealt with) aren't being smart. Not only does it offend/surprise a candidate, it wastes valuable time and money.

      Thank you for making those excellent points!

    • I like your point about the company just being upfront in order to save money and time, but i think that you misunderstood what the author was saying on one point. If you go to an interview and are made aware at that point that there is a drug test, accept their request to go complete the drug test, but follow up in the meantime and let them know that your are not interested in the position. He never said that you should ask the employer about drug testing.

  78. Or, you could not drug test them. Not all people who use drugs are dirty, lazy hippies. Imagine how many would fail if everyone was tested for alcohol.

    • I appreciate your perspective Donnie – that's why I said it's a choice. You only have to watch Bill Mahr on HBO to know that a lot of professional people engage in using drugs. He pushes for legalization on his show regularly.

      However, what do companies who have been burned by people who were under the influence do? Companies are at serious risk of being sued if something happens. That's why they do it. One person could cost the company 1000's of $$$ in legal fees. So, they feel forced to take precautionary measures.

      At least those who use drugs can walk away. Ask anybody who has police record how hard it is to find a job right now – it's next to impossible. With so many people looking for work (currently 6 job seeker for every 1 job), these are the first to be put in the 'no' pile. I get e-mails from people almost every day about that.

      I guess that's why it was important I share this post – I don't want people to make it even harder on themselves.

      Thanks again for stopping by and sharing!

      JT

      • You’re right that it’s just as well to make things a bit easier on yourself. That being said, not everyone who tests positive is a recreational drug user. I depend on a cocktail of drugs that I have to take everyday or die (with ‘em I’m fine, incidentally) and even if I list them all it depends on how sensitive the test is, how long term it is, and random body chemistry influences whether I’ll pass or not.

        There are prison systems that have forbidden their staffs to eat poppyseed foods because it triggers a positive on opiate use (really; it isn’t an urban legend; check Snopes) and many other OTC meds for colds and the like that will trigger positives.

        That’s not figuring in the factor of the overall false positive rate for the tests, how well that lab performs the test (some labs’ error rates are mindboggling. In fact, in this case, I’d have the executive check the lab out — because there’s just no way that number is legit), and the fact that the data is pretty useless against recreational use since almost all companies use urine tests, which are the least accurate of all the possible tests, and which only give you results for the past 3 days. So unless your executive is looking at a field that includes a very high number of actual addicts – which would have been obvious during the interview – he’s successfully done himself out of hiring 39 people who were most nearly what he wanted for the job. He’s looking at meaningless data, incorrectly analyzing it and making important decisions based on those numbers. I wouldn’t want to work with him.

        All of that being said, in the one case where I wanted a job enough to go through the testing, I had myself tested that morning by the same lab the company used and did the company’s in the afternoon. I’d have cancelled the appointment if the first one had come back positive. It was the only way to have any certainty about what the results would probably be.

        I must admit that I’m simultaneously amused and irritated by everyone here who thinks that recreational drug use is the only thing drug tests give results for. There’s no filter for “fun” on testing.

        • Thanks for sharing this perspective! It’s true, these drug tests are unfair to those that need certain drugs for health reasons. It’s such a Catch 22 in that if you share in the interview you take these drugs, will they then discriminate against you for it? It’s a tough situation to be in for sure. I recently was able to coach somebody through this. She got the offer and it was contingent on a drug test. We roleplayed the phone call she needed to make to the hiring manager and she carefully explained her situation. The company respected her honesty. She took the test AND got the job. So, I think there are exceptions to the rule for sure.

        • Thanks for sharing this perspective! It’s true, these drug tests are unfair to those that need certain drugs for health reasons. It’s such a Catch 22 in that if you share in the interview you take these drugs, will they then discriminate against you for it? It’s a tough situation to be in for sure. I recently was able to coach somebody through this. She got the offer and it was contingent on a drug test. We roleplayed the phone call she needed to make to the hiring manager and she carefully explained her situation. The company respected her honesty. She took the test AND got the job. So, I think there are exceptions to the rule for sure.

        • Thanks for sharing this perspective! It’s true, these drug tests are unfair to those that need certain drugs for health reasons. It’s such a Catch 22 in if you share in the interview you take these drugs, will they then discriminate against you for it? It’s a tough situation to be in for sure.

          I recently was able to coach somebody through this. She got the job offer and it was contingent on a drug test. We role-played the phone call she needed to make to the hiring manager and she carefully explained her situation. The company respected her honesty. She the test AND got the job. So, I think there are exceptions to the rule for sure.

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